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My conversation with a recruitment scammer

14/06/2022
At TRAFFIT we block fraudsters everyday. But when I get a chance, I try to engage them in conversation to learn why do they do what they do. Here is what they told me.
Mick Griffin
Mick Griffin
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    Recruitment Fraud. An introduction

    Before I share the content from my livechat with a recruitment fraudster. Let me explain what recruitment fraud looks like.

    While I have very limited knowledge on the topic. Basically, people post fake jobs, sometimes claiming to be legitimate businesses like amazon, etc. They pick entry-level roles such as data entry clerk, and they wait for the candidates to role in.

    From that moment I know of two ways they are committing fraudulent activities.

    They sell the data collected to a 3rd party for various future usage

    They take candidates who have been successful and fill the role

    However, need to buy a starter pack to start the work. They say the pack is worth $100 but the candidate pays $20. Then the scammers collect the credit card details of the candidate, and I think you know how that story goes next.

    Why was I talking to one?

    Ironically, we made TRAFFIT to make posting jobs and collecting candidates as easy as possible. This has made our solution attractive to some of the scammers. Luckily at first we setup a manual system to quickly shut them off, and now we have invested into automated blocking of these people.

    However, every time I see a scammer try to sign up, I have this urge to talk to them, interview them. Try to get them to explain what are they really trying to do. Also to of course deter them from trying to do this anymore, and sometimes to try to annoy them a little.

    Today, one of them replied and actually started to share some real reasons why they are scamming, that they would like to get out, and how they blame companies like TRAFFIT for not hiring in their country to begin with.

    The discussion

    In short, after some teasing back and forth with the scammer, I offered to help them get a legitimate revenue stream even as a TRAFFIT reseller in Nigeria (which was a legit offer btw) if they were willing to share with me details of the scam. How they learned about it, and what do they actually sell and to who.

    Conversation with Mick Griffin
    Started on June 14, 2022 at 09:21 AM Europe/Warsaw time CEST (GMT+0200)


    09:21 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: I have some amazing news for you!

    09:22 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: From today, we are blocking all job posting without verification of accounts. PLUS! just specially for you. Every test account will be limited to 5 candidates without verification by our team ๐Ÿ˜€

    09:23 AM | [email protected] : You are a funny guy๐Ÿ˜‚

    09:23 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: I know right ๐Ÿ˜€

    09:23 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: It was great working with you all this time. But sadly, it’s over ๐Ÿ™‚

    09:25 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: The sense of turning off your accounts gave me so much pleasure over the time together. You were the least intelligent fraudster I met.

    09:25 AM | [email protected] : How am i d dumbest?

    09:26 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: You use a VPN to be from a place that is in the middle of the night?

    09:27 AM | [email protected] : ๐Ÿ˜‚

    09:27 AM | [email protected] : Dont let me use voodoo on you

    09:28 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: It’s kinda funny to think that someone who is scamming people everyday, is talking about voodoo ๐Ÿ™‚

    09:29 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: But i’m not concerned. I doubt you can tie your shoelaces, never mind use voodoo ๐Ÿ˜€

    09:29 AM | [email protected] : should we try it?

    09:29 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: let’s do it! I’m ready

    09:29 AM | [email protected] : Okay hold

    09:29 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: oooo, i can feel something. did you start?

    09:29 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: ooooo, i can feel it

    09:29 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: omg, it’s working!

    09:29 AM | [email protected] : u must be a fool๐Ÿ˜‚

    09:30 AM | [email protected] : funny guy

    09:30 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: i feel it, its so so strong!

    09:30 AM | [email protected] : can you give me a legit work so i can stop scamming

    09:30 AM | [email protected] : Lets talk possitive

    09:31 AM | [email protected] : positive*

    09:31 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: Sure, send me your CV

    09:31 AM | [email protected] : Are you sure?

    09:31 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: send to [email protected]

    09:32 AM | [email protected] : common

    09:32 AM | [email protected] : i am serious

    09:32 AM | [email protected] : its because of people like you we scam

    09:32 AM | [email protected] : because u guys are not ready to help

    09:33 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: You are so right! OMG. I didn’t see it before. You take innocent people’s data because I didn’t hire you before right?

    09:33 AM | [email protected] : Look i am sorry

    09:33 AM | [email protected] : life is hard

    09:33 AM | [email protected] : been tryna get work but no one called me back yet

    09:33 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: Dude, if you put your effort into legitimate business, instead of stealing. You would be earning super money.

    09:34 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: I’m not even joking

    09:34 AM | [email protected] : Can you put me through?

    09:34 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: But everything you do is a choice. It’s nobody else’s fault.

    09:34 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: Working for legitimate money is hard.

    09:34 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: It takes time. You got to follow rules

    09:35 AM | [email protected] : i know

    09:35 AM | [email protected] : i have been trying

    09:35 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: Look at my situation now. How could I possibly trust you? Like seriously.

    09:36 AM | [email protected] : i am from nigeria a country were our government are corrupt

    09:36 AM | [email protected] : I dont need you to give me money

    09:37 AM | [email protected] : can you give me some little works i can be doing then u can pay me?

    09:37 AM | [email protected] : something like that

    09:37 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: Ok, let’s talk seriously for a moment.

    09:37 AM | [email protected] : I am serious sir

    09:37 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: How much are you actually making from your current scamming campaign. Per month for example?

    09:38 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: And is it yours? Or you work for someone else who is leading it

    09:38 AM | [email protected] : sometimes i dont make any money

    09:38 AM | [email protected] : I dont work for anybody

    09:38 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: How did you learn about this method of scamming?

    09:39 AM | [email protected] : online

    09:39 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: If we can build some trust together. I can seriously make you a reseller of Traffit in Nigeria. For REAL businesses though.

    09:39 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: And i’ll pay you a commission every month

    09:39 AM | [email protected] : I am serious about this

    09:39 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: I’m being serious also

    09:39 AM | [email protected] : Yes i can

    09:39 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: You know Nigeria, you know recruitment, sadly from a illegal standpoint.

    09:40 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: You can make business locally to people who really are hiring companies in Nigeria.

    09:40 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: No stolen credit cards

    09:40 AM | [email protected] : No stolen credit cards

    09:40 AM | [email protected] : I dont do physical scam only online scam

    09:41 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: But I would like to know where you learned about this recruiting scam. I want a link to where you found it online.

    09:41 AM | [email protected] : so i dont have any credit scard

    09:41 AM | [email protected] : card*

    09:41 AM | [email protected] : its on Youtube

    09:41 AM | [email protected] : I do a lot of research

    09:42 AM | [email protected] : I also tried this on upwork

    09:42 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: please send me actual links to the content. It’s very important to me

    09:42 AM | [email protected] : do u know upwork?

    09:42 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: and in return, i’ll sign you up as an affiliate partner of Traffit.

    09:43 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: you will create REAL leads and customers in Nigeria

    09:44 AM | [email protected] : are you trying to use my details to get me?

    09:44 AM | [email protected] : How do u want it to work?

    09:45 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: No, i’m not trying to get you. You said you want to get serious. This is my deal.
    ๏ปฟ
    ๏ปฟ1. I want to know everywhere you learned about the recruitment scams. Youtube, Upwork etc. I want the links.
    ๏ปฟ
    ๏ปฟ2. In return i’ll create a legitimate way for your to make money from us as an affiliate.

    09:46 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: If you bring me a legitimate client to TRAFFIT. I will give you 20% of what they spend, every month.

    09:50 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: I’m asking where did you learn about scamming?

    09:51 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: How do you make money from scamming? You sell the data?

    09:51 AM | [email protected] : no

    09:51 AM | [email protected] : i learnt about it online too

    09:52 AM | [email protected] : everything is online

    09:52 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: So I would like to know where you learned about it.

    09:52 AM | [email protected] : research

    09:52 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: I would like you to send me a link

    09:52 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: I would like to read about them myself

    09:52 AM | [email protected] : I dont know if i can get that

    09:52 AM | [email protected] : its been long

    09:53 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: And how does it make you money?

    09:54 AM | [email protected] : we tell dem to send money for materials

    09:54 AM | [email protected] : Are you not from the US?

    09:54 AM | [email protected] : u should know all this

    09:56 AM | [email protected] : are u there?

    09:59 AM | [email protected] : U dont wanna help?

    10:02 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: Im here

    10:06 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: I understand the concept in many ways

    10:06 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: But what I want to understand is ‘how do people learn about it’

    10:09 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: If you can help me understand this

    10:09 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: We can think how to work together more

    At this moment, they literally created another fraud account that I deleted instantly and continued the conversation there

    Conversation with Mick Griffin
    Started on June 14, 2022 at 10:16 AM Europe/Warsaw time CEST (GMT+0200)


    10:16 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: Can we continue our conversation on your new fraud account I just deleted?

    10:17 AM | [email protected] : Yes

    10:17 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: You find me links to show where people are talking about recruitment scams. Also what data do you sell and how.

    10:17 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: In return i’ll sign you up as our affiliate

    10:17 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: and you will earn 20% of any accounts you sell in Nigeria

    10:24 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: Dude

    10:24 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: It makes no sense to open more accounts right now

    10:24 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: I’m wathcing everything

    10:24 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: you asked me to be serious

    10:25 AM | [email protected] : Open my account first

    10:25 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: I’m not opening anything. Everything will be closed and deleted

    10:26 AM | [email protected] : Okay pay me first $30

    10:27 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: You are someone who just told me that they sometimes make ZERO $0 in a month from scamming.

    10:27 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: I’m talking to you about a way to earn legitimate money

    10:27 AM | Mick from TRAFFIT: and you are making the wrong choice.

    Wrap Up

    Ultimately, I feel a small amount of sympathy for this person. I feel they have chosen this path out of poverty. Possibly, they also exist in a culture where this is more morally acceptable. However i’m not going to get into the topic of what is morally right. Luckily the entire recruitment industry is against this type of behaviour and even the FBI is working on this type of fraud.

    If they come back, i’ll certainly be looking for more details into where these scams originate and also where is the marketplace for buying and selling illegal data from recruitments.

    Until next time!

    Mick

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